I have tried to comprehend the possible reasons for a Caravan to be flying below 90 knots and descending close to 900 feet per minute (per ADS-B/FlightAware) dangerously below the published Minimum Descent Altitude (MDA) on the RNAV/LNAV GPS Runway 20 approach to Burley, Idaho (KBYI)Airport. Horrifying video captures California plane crash that killed doctor, UPS driver. 1, 1, 1 1/2, 2 statute mile visibility was not previously discussed in comments.) I will say that the analyses here have been very well thought out and thought provoking. He owns the minds of those fans and is working toward harvesting their donations in the times ahead. So the potato plant has their own fan club that is going to come to their defense if they get blamed for this crash? FlightAware's track log is heavily sampled and rounded, showing one track point every 20-30 seconds despite ADS-B transmitting a data point every second. I can't tell, from Google Maps, if there is a light for that chimney. With luck there will be a SD card data record to help in understanding. In general, FlightAware is not intended to be an accurate indication of aircraft altitudes and positions for forensic purposes, so armchair investigators would do well not to draw detailed conclusions from FA data. If the visibility was .5 SM better than reported, then the pilot would have had approximately 35 seconds from breaking out to see and avoid the tower. I remember reading a story about a pilot who ditched in the ocean just off shore from a beach, maybe 20-30 yards out, and walked away uninjured. "Sucked right into that smokestack by the steam cloud!" So if as you are saying she had the runway in sight, why on God's green earth was she 100 feet AGL a half-mile from the runway? Anyone know her duty schedule leading up to this accident? First approach got down to 4375 which is 185 below MDA. October 10, 2021 9:53am. KBYI has a 3.7 degree glidepath for obstacles, including the plant and the railroad brige, which would put her at 66.7 feet over the threshold and about 108 feet over the end of the displaced threshold. Minter was elected to the Santa Monica City Council in 1955 and served as mayor from 1963-1967. Thirty feet is not a big change in your analysis, but after verifying the stack is #16-036731 in the obstruction database, true height of 100 feet is the verified data. In lieu of flowers, the Infanger family is welcoming donations for a scholarship fund in Brittneys honor. The now prevalent hatred behaviors were trained into people by subtle but continuous nudging from news media, social media and marketing. It would be interesting to know if the FAA recommended to the plant that they voluntarily add a lighting system to that tall chimney or stack. "What a bunch of BS. VIDEO! Good observation about first occurrence. Flaps don't seem to be deployed. Most of "those pilots" (as you call them) do just fine at almost all single pilot 135 operations and if they "don't get it", it's your job to weed them out. Additionally, with the needles centered she would have been 100 feet to the right of the stacks on a normal GPS approach.Looking at the ADS-B track on the missed it shows her at 6950 which should be coming from the GPS. That's the only certainty we have at this stage about its position. Brittney Infanger was a highly skilled and trusted pilot. How could anyone be up here, see Gods creation, and doubt His love? she had asked. While they are not flight data recorders in the normal sense, in a crash with no fire they can provide more than enough data for the NTSB to reconstruct what the aircraft was doing and was being presented to the pilot. Date: Saturday 29 May 2021: Time: 0.26639294624329: Type: Cessna 501 Citation I/SP: Sorry, but that's insane.You can pull data all day long from flight records and try to figure out why she did what she did, but the fact remains that a published non-precision LNAV approach that misses a smokestack by 61' is unacceptable. Fourth or fifth day on the job, in good weather, she crash landed one of our 'Vans onto a runway, totally wrecking it. The YouTube "Clown" commingled an half-assed apology with begging for $cash money$ be sent to him. The pilot made the processing plant a problem by being in IMC, 75' agl 2500' from the runway threshold. A wing collided with a tractor trailer, causing the aircraft to overturn into a tree line next to the road. The Weather.gov page that contains your copied text paragraph verbatim may have been the origin of all the other bad "starter blade" pastes over the years. Remember to embrace and treasure every moment, just as she did. Burley Airfield should either stop 020 approaches, and/or the "Gem State Potato Processing Plant" should run a pipe up from the Snake River to condense and recover its steam inside the factory, and reposition that isolated lethal stack. The A/FD mentions the threshold is displayed 305 feet due to the stack. 7. Dead-center. Did you notice the color of the smoke stack? Having survived a Cessna 150 crash into a forest I can attest first hand that shoulder harness' save lives. very sad. do these decision makers even know the difference between a precision and non precision approach? Agreed - not assuming willful pilot disregard of minimums until PT-6 operation is evaluated is the responsible viewpoint until investigation makes determinations.Accident aircraft was a 2013 production aircraft, not a steam gage model. Succinct. E.g. However, Brittneys favorite thing of all was flying. Updated design. they should be required to fly out to these locations on days like this once in a while for the education needed to make safer decisions on where these pilots must go risk their lives every day. See 6:45 in the video: https://youtu.be/M6ev-hmvtag?t=405. Sorry your flight sim game didn't cover that. Given the wing spans of aircraft, the rising steam, and a gusty day, 100ft is much too little. There is no need to conflate the egregious errors in the case of N56KJ. she went full power and still couldn't climb out of it. Not enough time for the air frame to ice up from steam. "Same document, regarding high intensity flashing white obstruction lights during daytime with automatically selected reduced intensities for twilight and nighttime operations:"should not be recommended on structures 500 feet (153m) AGL or less unless an FAA aeronautical study shows otherwise."https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC%2070%207460-1K.pdf. 80 y/o Airport in wrong place, or decades old Tater Plant position? Solo/Missed Approach/Marginal Conditions/Challenging Airport = High StressIt's the perfect setup for one of those 'undiagnosed preexisting medical conditions' that have been making the rounds these days with athletes.The coroner's report should be interesting - condolences to her family. We also know that this position was too low as thousands of other flights landed on that runway without hitting the stack.The MDH seems much lower than the OVC layer. It was hands down the seat belt and shoulder harness and a hell of a lot of luck. That's a stark contrast not likely to be mistaken for anything else. Granbury reports they didn't see (post crash): KGDJ 050255Z AUTO 14008KT 5SM BR OVC007 11/10 A3009 RMK AO2 T01050098,M According to the NTSB, the plane's last track point on the ADS-B track was at just lower than 12,000 feet. Too bad comments on here are closed for that accident. These facts were demonstrated to tragic effect on March 15, 2012. I am sorry she killed herself and thankful she did not injure or kill anything else. The "airport shouldn't be there"I'm reminded of the jet that took off in CT short runway. Prayers for this family and those impacted by this tragedy. Yesterday's accident was very unfortunate. We know the outcome.Don't bust minimums. An Airmens Meteorological Information (AIRMET) advisory was active for icing and mountain obscurations for areas that included BYI.By the way, the automated weather facility at KBYI is an ASOS, not AWOS. Seems like you are grasping for something to be upset about, or need to work on reading comprehension. So according to Jepp, the usable runway length is 3,787 feet. Quickest way to get there Cheapest option Distance between. that happens in many non precision approaches, very common.Someone commented:At reaching the edge of the building, 80 + 8 = 88 knots:Wed 10:32:25 AM 42.5520 -113.7592 217 80 92 4,150 -857Airspeed of 88 is ok, yes it fell off but stalling speed is in the low 60's.2nd the descent rate is -857. I once nearly killed myself by misinterpreting what was before me driving my motorcycle at night through mist. The tiny Cessna 210M aircraft with five men on board disappeared somewhere over the NSW Barrington Tops almost 34 years ago - the final, panicked transmissions from its pilot suggesting things . Aviationdb shows N8361D, a Beech J35 registered to him 1998 thru 2014, N265VA RV-12 2014 thru 2017. G1000 avionics can log a lot of data if and only if you have a formatted SD card in the top slot of the MFD. It's unclear if anyone else was on board the aircraft. I would really like to see some *measured* data of the actual height of that tower before it was razed, as well as its MSL elevation. Ice on the rotor and starter blades affects their performance and efficiency and may result in flame out. It was snowing at the time and snow showers would've probably reduced visibility. Controller com CESSNA Aircraft For Sale 1229 Listings. You have nailed it. The Gem plant was described as newly constructed when highlighted in a 2012 upgrade project info page:http://www.roguepump.com/documents/gem-state-processing-case-study.pdf, The Gem Plant in Heyburn shows up at 2010 on the company history timeline, here:https://www.oregonpotato.com/aboutopc/#history, January 2011 news article expected the new plant to be up and running spring or early summer that year:https://www.potatopro.com/news/2011/burleyheyburn-dehydrated-potato-plant-open-early-year. I will give the details below for others to replicate, but here are my conclusions:(1) If you start at 4800ft at JAMID, and then descend with a 3.75 degree angle from horizontal as advised on the published approach plate, you would clear the top of a 100' AGL stack by only *63 feet. Welcome back, Kathryn's Report! Just be honest you go below MIN at uncontrolled who would know about it? Visitation will begin at 10:30 the morning of the funeral. Funeral services will also be live streamed at bit.ly/brittneyinfanger. The case of the young flight school instructor who got bashed against his Cherokee panel comes to mind. "I'm not sure why you are mentioning LPV minimums, because the RNAV (GPS) RWY 20 approach into BYI is just an LNAV category approach, not LPV. Top of the stack that was hit is 100 feet AGL. The FAA is expected to release the preliminary results of their investigation in the coming days. This is a place where we learn what not to do next time. How often have you ever flown an approach to minimums? Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017. Accident Investigation report not yet completed, but information verified through authorities or other sources. It's likely the effect of the plume is fairly localized, much like wake turbulence. I came to the same conclusion using approach plate data and Google Earth. / 45.4288; 9.2545. Confusingly, the approach plate says "VGSI and descent angles not coincident", but runway 20 does not have any sort of VGSI at all! 24 much safer and longer runway which I feel more comfortable with. You hit MDA, see the runway, and continue descent to land, but maybe don't see the smokestack due to snow flurries and steam from it blowing toward you. The four Gossner Foods elevators are not on the plate or in the database. Having survived a Cessna 150 crash into a forest I can attest first hand that shoulder harness' save lives. "why on God's green earth was she 100 feet AGL a half-mile from the runway" How about any number of reasons that many aircraft have crashed in VMC with the runway in sight: engine failure, icing, wind sheer, pilot incapacitation, etc. Among the victims were American singer and actress Aaliyah and members of her entourage, including a hairdresser, her . Louisiana are three of the apparent victims in a plane crash in Lefthand Canyon west of Boulder on July 17. Replies. Apparently the mail must get through, despite the automated voice telling you "Minimums" and you don't have the runway. When there is wind, vapour rises up and away from the stacks, condenses, and begins to fall. Whatever the case, I can't imagine the pain her family is going through. It's not just a pipe. 0:06. From the eyewitness testimony in the preliminary report, we know the she did enter the steam cloud.As for the MDA, if she had the runway in view (and likely did at this range, as the forward visibility was given as 1 statute mile, she was already below the cloud base, and the stack is almost exactly 0.5 mi from the threshold of the runway), she was ok to be below MDA.I also want to emphasize that the impacted stack is DIRECTLY on the extended centerline of the runway. The last "reliable" data point on ADS-B was @ 08:32:25 at an altitude of 4150' MSL and a position of 42.5520,-113.7592 which is almost directly at the stack. It is however possible to experience a flameout and subsequent loss of power under certain conditions. Crashed at 8:32 AM. (or the overcast). Date and Time: April 13, 2022, 08:32 Local, Flight Conducted Under: Part 135: Air taxi & commuter - Non-scheduled. If the pilot was following the 3.75 deg. (ADS-B granularity in increments of 25 feet altitude, with rounding and accuracy limitations in FlightAware's processed data reduces precision, but attempting to compensate each point for local pressure variation from 29.92 is eliminated by this technique. Freight dispatchers aren't the ones responsible for letting under-equipped airports remain that way. Only difference is the pleasurable physical appearance of the pilot. The pilot was transported to a local hospital where their condition remains unknown. Here's what's left of the stack in question, at the 2:24 point in the video.https://youtu.be/aRN3RJaW618. Do you expect a 95-year-old to be able to survive a physical impact of any consequence?? All 5 of his points are irrefuteable. The witness heard the engine increase in sound and saw the nose lift shortly before the airplane struck the smokestack and descend to the rooftop.". There is something definitely sticking above the top of the chimney on a yellow pole coming from the cage.While it will be interesting to see if the GPS or WAAS signal was degraded for the GPS RWY 20 approach, the pilot should have been in visual conditions./ME. To Anonymous, use a fake name so I can see who the insults are directed atIs snow considered icing conditions?Snow doesn't always equal known icing conditions. There is no RWY 30 at KBYI. The "I'd like to return" call is actually heard much later, around the 14 minute mark in the unedited LiveAtc recording, at which time ADS-B shows the corresponding position is at the turn back location, halfway to Malibu.The tuber's incorrect synchronization is made worse by text placed at the start of the video titled "Nature of the situation" stating that the pilot wanted to return "just after departure" when in fact he made that call several miles up the beach while well on the way to Malibu.The channel that posted that video is attempting to mimic a well known channel that properly time synchronizes track position to comm timing. Additionally, someone posted where the chimney was located, about 100 feet to the left. Can't tell from pictures if both wings were at crash site. Two people were onboard the aircraft when the pilot reported engine issues after taking off from the Santa Monica Airport. 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