Woods was serving a 31-years-to-life sentence for attempted 2nd degree robbery due to a three-strikes law before having his sentence commuted in 2018. ERIN: No, I don't feel you're being unfair at all, and I don't ultimately know what my hesitancy is. Woods was involved in an attempted robbery in 1997, when he was in his 20s. [11], In November 2018, then California Governor Jerry Brown commuted Woods' sentence, saying he had "clearly shown that he is no longer the man he was when he committed this crime" and that "he has set a positive example for his peers and, through his podcast, has shared meaningful stories from those inside prison. When asked earlier this year what was the first thing he would do if he got out, Woods said, Take a bath. Just to be out there with her.. In April 1989, a drive-by shooting in San Francisco, CA, left at least 11 people injured, and 2 people dead. ALEX BLUMBERG: And so a friend of Earlonne's, a volunteer at the prison, had an idea: with this spotlight on his work, and having served now two decades of his 31-to-life sentence, Earlonne should put in for a commutation -- make an official appeal to the governor, to set him free. I used to sit there and ask God, "Like, why am I living if I have to die?" And I think at that age I was questioning God. Earlonne Woods, co-host of the popular prison podcast Ear Hustle, had his sentence commuted by California Gov. You guys are killing me (laughter). So I was nervous at first to go in because, I mean, my head was full of all the images that, you know, of - from bad TV, bad movies, bad media about what prison was going to be like. And it has made me - it has made me care about men so much more. GROSS: That's the sound of the San Quentin prison door slamming as my guest Earlonne Woods was released in late November after being incarcerated there for seven years. Now Earlonne will be doing interviews with people like him who are transitioning back into society. He is 5 feet 7 inches tall ( Approx1.7 m). And the assumption is that what you did at that moment is what you are today even though it's five years, 10 years, 20, 30 years later. E WOODS: So I think that goes into, like, what they call politics in prison and where, you know, you may have certain prisons that it matters what you're in prison for like - and it's a difference on a race level. And then I got into the lifestyle of robbing drug dealers. We don't really do stories about people's crimes at all. While incarcerated, he received his GED, attended Coastline Community College, and completed many vocational programs. Like, my mother used to bring him. And you also spent time in solitary, where it's very hard to stay sane. . [6] While in San Quentin, Woods was unpaid for his work on Ear Hustle, though fans would often send him money. And I think - I didn't - I didn't become accustomed to the lifestyle of working or having a job, you know? What was your reaction when you found out? Earlonne was an inmate as well as a host. And, Earlonne, since you served so much time, let's start with you. Nigel Poor is a professor of photography at California State University in Sacramento. I just stopped over there, went and sat on a rock and just watched the water for about an hour. And it might help you. And Nigel is also a professor of photography at California State University. E WOODS: But I wouldn't have it no other way. When Earlonne was incarcerated in San Quentin, he and Nigel Poor started the podcast Ear Hustle. But I took way more from that person than $1. Poor, a professor of photography at CSU Sacramento, was volunteering with the Prison University Project at San Quentin State Prison when she met Woods, who was serving a 31-year-to-life sentence. As of now, he works as a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of Ear Hustle at PRX alongside Nigel Poor. "[8] In particular, she praised Williams' "evocative, pitch-perfect sound design". The podcast team announced Tuesday that it will hire Woods as an employee on the show. Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor started the podcast Ear Hustle when Woods was a prisoner in San Quentin. And I thought, well, those are kind of qualities that you need to be able to bring people out. And I'm like - I'm telling my son, son, look. GROSS: Yeah. Earlonne continues to co-host the show with Nigel. So you become accustomed to that lifestyle. So now we're - I mean, we're friends, and we're colleagues. Earlonne still co-hosts the show alongside Nigel. [7] They recruited fellow inmates Antwan Williams as the show's sound designer,[8] and submitted their idea for a podcast to a contest hosted by Radiotopia. E WOODS: I think the mentality is more of crime to you is a job. [16] In 2021, Woods and Poor co-authored the book This Is Ear Hustle. Earlonne Woods is the cocreator, coproducer, and cohost of the Pulitzer-nominated podcast Ear Hustle. It's - it's - I think being in a position to step away from it all and look back and say, man, I was on something else. EARLONNE WOODS: Well, I just keep getting up every morning, you know, thankful that I have another day, thankful that I'm alive, you know? His commutation includes reference to Earlonne's work on the podcast. And for most people - for most people inside, they just want the chance to represent the person that they are today, you know? Along with Nigel Poor, he is a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of Ear Hustle at PRX. "Ear Hustle" features stories from prison told by prisoners - their intimate, honest conversations about family visits, cellmates, solitary confinement - conversations like this one between Earlonne Woods and his co-host Nigel Poor, who's not an inmate. E WOODS: Hey - so I always go over to the L - I call them L7s. Woods helped create Ear Hustle while incarcerated at San Quentin State Prison. Brown cited Woods' leadership in . So right now there would be a problem with me going back to see him because I'm currently on parole. Woods is an inmate of the San Quentin State Prison in California. SHAPIRO: Earlonne Woods had to leave the media lab to take the call. That, in a nutshell, is the juxtaposition that defines Ear Hustle. And I stopped by this lake. SHAPIRO: When you said goodbye to him, were you crying? And I hit the floor. And it's the way people would hope other people think that, hey, OK, I've done my time. Why we living like we don't care - because this is somehow how we grew up and how - since as early teenager we've been living in the streets, in the gangs. E WOODS: It was devastating because I had - one, I had just talked to Tyler, like, probably the day before. Earlonne became preoccupied with reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for people who had previously been incarcerated, as well as documenting his own experiences. It received 1,537 entries from 53 countries. Yeah - the butcher cutters. Poor is a professor of photography at California State University in Sacramento. And it was very hard for that to not change the way I felt about him. It's something. By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. And you have another 11 to go. I'm Terry Gross, and this is FRESH AIR. And E WOODS: And of course I enjoy all the little moments. In November 2018, Woods' sentence was commuted by California governor Jerry Brown. Co-founded by San Francisco Bay Area artist Nigel Poor alongside Earlonne Woods and Antwan Williams who were incarcerated at the time the podcast now tells stories from both inside prison and from the outside, post-incarceration. Or is he a good talker? --. And he said Tyler got killed by the police. Redmond O'Neal is the son of American actor Ryan O'Neal and Farah Fawcett (an America. And you really get a better understanding of your impact that you've personally had on people in society. [5][6], The show is produced by Earlonne Woods, Rahsaan "New York" Thomas, and Nigel Poor. You know, they playing with guns or whatever have you. You were OK with that? POOR: Well, he wasn't necessarily a good talker because he was very quiet. And the officer came back, was like, you're too tall for that name. (SOUNDBITE OF NOEL BONNEVIE'S "DAHIL SA'YO"). I don't think I have the vision to see it. You know, he running the streets. I'd still be sitting in San Quentin in a cell with my brother. So it be at prison, I'm going to enjoy my day every day because at the end of the day, this is all I got, you know? Co-produced by inmates Earlonne Woods and Antwan Williams . So I think that's very damaging. And just listening to her tell her story to us and knowing that I've been in these type of situations or knowing that I've been probably on the other side of the gun or whatever the case may be and just hearing her loss, hearing her heartfelt testimony about this was really - it was shakening (ph), you know? Bernard Antwi Boasiako, Lana Wolf, Eric Marcus, Robert Marawa, Who is Redmond ONeal? Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. Earlonne Woods, Nigel Poor, welcome to FRESH AIR. Earlonne continues to co-host the show with Nigel. Does that mean we're self-absorbed? T WOODS: One the 19 - November 19, 2013 - federal prison - we have phones, and we have emails. But yeah, I can't. Earlonne became busy reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for originally incarcerated people, while also documenting his own experiences. And they shot at Tyler, like, 40-something times. And my whole thinking, like, changed in that moment. While incarcerated, he received his GED, attended Coastline Community College, and completed many vocational programs. GROSS: To stay sane in a situation like that. ERIN: Oh, [expletive]. SHAPIRO: Nigel Poor told us that when Earlonne Woods came back POOR: He was walking with a lot of air in his step. I get to see how they express love and tenderness and fear and frustration and how they posture and what's behind that. Since the podcasts launch in 2017, its been downloaded, announcing the commutation, the governor echoed that thought, saying Woods has clearly shown that he is no longer the man he was when he committed this crime.. Jerry Brown (D) has commuted the prison sentence of Earlonne Woods, whose hit podcast Ear Hustle explores life inside San Quentin State Prison. So prison was more like, oh, hey, this is a place to go and continue your gang activity, continue your destructive behavior. Since the podcasts launch in 2017, its been downloaded millions of times, featured in media outlets from NPR to The New York Times, and made several best of podcast rankings. POOR: You know, a kind of joy I never really experienced before - I mean, it's - you know, to be so happy for him and being in prison and not wanting to cry (laughter) - you know, trying to hold it together. The San Francisco Public Library chose the title for its One City One Book citywide community reading program in 2022. It destroys hope, and it violates the principle that redemption is at the essence of what it is to be human. [5][15] In 2020, alongside Poor and co-host Rahsaan Thomas, Woods was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Audio Reporting. Earlonne is busy reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for originally incarcerated people, while also documenting his own experiences. He and Nigel are also the authors of This Is Ear Hustle: Unflinching Stories of Everyday Prison Life, a book that was inspired by the podcast and released by Crown/Random House. So it's been a real eye-opener for me. ARI. He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California . And this time, they had something for me, which was the three-strike law. And Trevor, your brother, speaks first. But the things that you do in your past do add dimension to who you are in this moment. What's it like to not care about the person who you're robbing or the person who might be killed by a stray bullet? His mother was a postal worker and his father was an unemployed alcoholic, who Woods described as violent and distant. Like, I just walked away, you know? So on December 7, 1994, I murdered my ex-girlfriend, the mother of my now-25-year-old daughter. So I think I did what, pretty much, my community did that was around me. I was on some - I would like to say other words, but I'm holding my (laughter) E WOODS: (Laughter) I'm on the radio. POOR: There's something I have to talk to you about. (SOUNDBITE OF STEFANO BOLLANI AND JESPER BODILSEN AND MORTEN LUND AND MARK TURNER AND BILL FRISELL'S "ALOBAR E KUDRA"). Woods never used the drug, though became addicted to the money and lifestyle selling it provided. Yes, he can come to my house. You're sitting across from law enforcement. Their tenth season finished airing in December 2022. I told him that constantly. Others are typical and comfortable, never rising to celebrity status but supplying its partners with a contented existence. Vice President . It didn't work out, unfortunately. In 1997, Earlonne was sentenced to thirty-one years to life in prison. And then what worries me is, like, so people will leave with this very, like, I love this guy. I don't know. Woods, 47, was recently released from San Quentin State Prison after California Gov. My guests are Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor, the co-creators of Ear Hustle, a podcast featuring their interviews with men incarcerated in San Quentin. And I was paroled when I was 23, about to turn 24. Our associate producer for digital media is Molly Seavy-Nesper. And I'm always interested in people who kind of fade into the background a little bit because I suspect they could be the most interesting people in the room. Like, what was all this for? And so when people listen to this story, that's what I want them to take away, that here's this person who is in a difficult situation. For Walter "Earlonne" Woods, the path to freedom was podcasting. And it was just like - it didn't even register with me. Earlonne, I want to ask you about the final podcast you recorded in San Quentin, which was largely about your older brother, Trevor, and your nephew, Tyler. Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor: This Is Ear Hustle Some might say that Nigel Poor and Earlonne Woods were destined to meet. So I think I understand more the complexity and the pressures and inside I get to see men relating in very heartfelt ways. In 1997, he was sentenced to 31-years-to-life in prison. Earlonne was not only one of the co-hosts, he was one of the men incarcerated until his release in late November after California Governor Jerry Brown commuted his sentence. It was - and it's not just her. Like, what - why were we on this path, you know? [2], Woods first went to prison at 17 for two concurrent convictions of kidnapping and robbing a drug dealer, and was released at 23. So there's a rule that pertains to the volunteers who come in, and they're not allowed to have, like, close relationships with the prisoners, anything that gets really intimate or emotional. Tyler had missed a court appearance, so he feared that he would be locked up. I'm not doing this. He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California . And her son had attended a party. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. And Earlonne just had his sentence commuted by Governor Jerry Brown in November after serving 21 years. In some ways, like, I find it hard to understand that somebody, like, wouldn't have any empathy for the victim and wouldn't care. All rights reserved. We'll be right back. Kourtney Kellar models for a variety of periodicals, companies, Toni Storm is a famous New Zealand-Australian wrestler, social media influencer, Instagram personality, OnlyFans star, and entrepreneur from Auckland, New Zealand. NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. The two bonded over a love of storytelling and with no formal experience, began a podcast together where they showcase the . Woods has served 21 years of a 31 to life prison sentence. Earlonne was both host and inmate, but he was released in November after his sentence was commuted by California Governor Jerry Brown. He works as a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of Ear Hustle at PRX alongside Nigel Poor. Once the details concerning Earlonne's marital status are available we shall update. But after you recorded that interview, you found out something about him and decided, like, you could not play that interview unless you asked him another question. Your nephew, his son, Tyler, was born in 1994. 2023 BuzzFeed, Inc. All rights reserved. So sometimes it's important, and I can give you an example. He received a sentence of 31-years-to-life. Poor, a professor of photography at CSU Sacramento, was volunteering with the Prison University Project at San Quentin State Prison when she met Woods, who was serving a 31-year-to-life sentence. Ive been taking showers for like 20 years.. "[9] The series is not overtly political, but Poor emphasizes the way the show can have a humanizing effect, making listeners care about the men they hear on the show and wonder why one of the hosts might serve a life sentence for attempted robbery. Did you give him a hug? He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California . And on their way back to the auntie's house, they were pulled over by Long Beach Police Department - two officers. If you're just joining us, my guests are Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor, the co-hosts and co-producers of the podcast Ear Hustle, which features interviews with men incarcerated in San Quentin Prison about their daily lives and their personal stories. It's about a writer whose friend and former mentor kills himself. [1][2] Since his release, Woods has continued to co-host the podcast with Poor from outside prison, with Poor recording some parts in San Quentin with new co-host Rahsaan "New York" Thomas. T WOODS: You know, he was ripping and running with the gangs. So you'll never get the opportunity to be in front of people to present the person that you are today. [3], Woods completed his General Educational Development in prison, as well as vocational courses such as auto mechanics. And when I was sitting in a county jail, you know, mentally, I pretty much divorced myself from that whole way of life in that moment, you know? Earlonne Woods is the co-creator, co-host, and co-producer of Ear Hustle (PRX & Radiotopia). While incarcerated, he received his GED, attended Coastline Community College, and completed many vocational programs. You may be a changed individual, all the way changed, would never commit another crime. [5] Woods role on the podcast was well-received, with Sarah Larson from The New Yorker describing him as an "immediately warm and likable presence",[10] while Eddie Harana from Rolling Stone praised the sense of humor he brought to the show. And then, I always say that, you know, a lot of people that volunteer - people like Nigel Poor, people like other volunteers that volunteer inside of prisons - are on the frontline of public safety because these are the people that's coming in and is trying to show you a different way of life or trying to help you understand differently, think differently. What's it like to not think about that? And then the question is, well, what do we do about that? Earlonne Woods is the co-creator, co-host, and co-producer of Ear Hustle (PRX & Radiotopia). But the law don't see your rehabilitation. GROSS: If you're just joining us, my guests are Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor, the co-creators of the podcast Ear Hustle. GROSS: So you know, you're a middle-aged man now. Williams was serving a 15-year sentence for armed robbery with a gun enhancement. E WOODS: (Laughter) Not no time soon, no. So I still had a 17-year-old mentality. Instead of me representing it, Earlonne and I can represent it together. And you've said in the past that he was always the quietest person in the room, but you could tell he was a good observer. He does not, however, expose his wife's identity to the public. POOR: What are some of the things you think about when you fantasize about your life when you're out? A person can get certain - a certain amount of time for the crime that they commit. And at the end of November, Governor Jerry Brown commuted his sentence. Everybody we know live the same lifestyle, you know? It's a job. Earlonne holds an American nationality and white ethnicity. He is 5 feet 7 inches tall ( Approx1.7 m). He running with these hard heads. Is that OK? Earlonne Woods is a popular American podcaster. But I just - just took a course that was - seemed cool to me at the time. He works as a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator with Ear Hustle at PRX alongside Nigel Poor. I probably was like 14. Earlonne, tell us a little more about what happened to Tyler, how he was killed. And I have a lot of friends that's in prison that has 200 years, 300 years to life for maybe attempted second-degree robbery. [5], Prior to Ear Hustle, Poor ran a photography class at the prison during which one of her students proposed making a documentary. You start really understanding what the word community means and what your participation in community is about, you know? I've never had a problem. I realized that he had a really intense work ethic that matched my own and that we just really got along. Woods helped create Ear Hustle while incarcerated at San Quentin State Prison. Tyra got arrested first for kidnap and robbery, and she was sentenced to 17 years. 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